TNA attacking WWE

[Malakai]

In regards to TNA showing the WWE superstar in the crowd at their live show (imo it looked like Robbie from the Highlanders) do you think that was a shot at WWE?
My next question, do you feel it is the right choice for TNA to attack WWE at this point in time? I mean, WWE hasn't really so much as acknowledged TNA, but yet TNA has taken shots at WWE. If TNA continues to attack WWE, then McMahon might decide to crush them if he can. Although if they prove to be legit competition, maybe we'll see better production out of both companies.
I myself like TNA better, but I have been watching WWE since I was born, hell it was probably playing in the delivery room, lol. Either way if they have a war, it'll surely bring out the best and worst of the companies and the winner has already been decided....US!!
So should TNA go after WWE and risk pissing off McMahon and starting a new war, or should they ignore WWE and continue to earn a fanbase simply on selling their own product?

[Gair]

I'm talking silly here...

But I still think that Vinny Mac still owns, or is very good friends with the owner, of TNA...

The very mention of the NWA belt on WWE without any sort of action or anything gives a lot away, and I did read somewhere that Vince had rulings on all Wrestling Federations...

If a federation is created, they have to be installed and built on the foundations that the WWE people say.

It sounds mental, but to apply to become a legal, legit promotion, you must go through the WWE as they own the rights to the whole business...

"Thats what I'm led to believe anyway"

Gair

[Drakon]

I still think that is pathetic. The whole WWE owns rights thing. About the NWA thing, TNA and NWA are in no way affiliated anymore. That's why TNA made their own Titles last year. And how could someone own a business in every way? Isn't that like anti-democratic?

The Robbie thing, I think it was smart of TNA for showing his face on screen. Sure it could cost him his job, but that's the industry. They just took advantage of a good oportunity.

WWE won't aknowledge TNA unless they raise their ratings considerably. I hope it isn't long before they do. If it happens, TNA's fan base could grow bigger, maybe even matching WWE's at some point. I'm torn between the Wrestling War and TNA building fanbase around their own product. Both of them can give the company what it's desperately need, if excecuted correctly.

[Mr Mickie James]

Vince wont go that low, he wont acknowledge TNA, he knows WWE is the real deal, and TNA is just a fly.

[rdarnz]

He won't acknowledge them on-screen, but as we all saw recently he's willing to mention their upcoming events on his website?

[Gair]

I still think that is pathetic. The whole WWE owns rights thing. About the NWA thing, TNA and NWA are in no way affiliated anymore. That's why TNA made their own Titles last year. And how could someone own a business in every way? Isn't that like anti-democratic?

The Robbie thing, I think it was smart of TNA for showing his face on screen. Sure it could cost him his job, but that's the industry. They just took advantage of a good oportunity.

WWE won't aknowledge TNA unless they raise their ratings considerably. I hope it isn't long before they do. If it happens, TNA's fan base could grow bigger, maybe even matching WWE's at some point. I'm torn between the Wrestling War and TNA building fanbase around their own product. Both of them can give the company what it's desperately need, if excecuted correctly.

Yeah, I forgot about that...

I don't watch TNA anymore... thats why I forgot...

But still... I'm pretty sure thats the way it works... even the British promotion, PSE, Alex Shane told me that they had to speak to WWE to open the company...

Thats the only reason they're known as the "World Wrestling Entertainment/Federation" and it's been like that for a long time... (Well, obviously it's not the only reason...)

[nidge182]

I think both will continue as they are going i only see a change in the competition if TNA get put on monday nights like nitro did then you would have a straight forward fight for viewers but as things stand nobody is losing out especially the viewing public, i personally thought putting nitro on the same time as raw was idiotic, as a fan of both companies i enjoyed nitro then waited to watch raw but when they started giving the results for raw away on nitro i stopped watching nitro as i was more eager to watch raw which at the time was pushing Austin and that was a great era for the WWE, but as proved WCW got bought out by vince in the end, if they would have stayed as they were then maybe we would still have WCW, on the flip side we would not have had the monday night war which was brilliant with both companies coming up with great storylines, but WCW and WWE always had a fierce rivalry and i think had WCW still been around they would still have this rivalry and surely we would have been getting great shows on the basis that the two companies would try to outdo each other.

This may get me a bit of heat but this is just my oppinion, i still think that the wwe will come up with something that will get us glued and i do think that TNA is getting better and better.

[Malakai]

I'm talking silly here...

But I still think that Vinny Mac still owns, or is very good friends with the owner, of TNA...

The very mention of the NWA belt on WWE without any sort of action or anything gives a lot away, and I did read somewhere that Vince had rulings on all Wrestling Federations...

If a federation is created, they have to be installed and built on the foundations that the WWE people say.

It sounds mental, but to apply to become a legal, legit promotion, you must go through the WWE as they own the rights to the whole business...

"Thats what I'm led to believe anyway"

Gair


Wouldn't that be a monopoly? Last time I heard that was illegal.

[Jake_V3]

Well if you recall WCW would take shots at WWF on screen though WWF wouldnt even mention the name.....until of course they bought them out.

Vince is the Galactus of the wrestling world....he eats other federations to gain strength


in 10 years....TNA Invasion angle.....Mark my words

[Drakon]

Wouldn't that be a monopoly? Last time I heard that was illegal.

It is? Wall-Mart is pretty much a monopoly, and it's much like the biggest seller across the country. Even here in PR.

[Batista Rules.]

^ It is here too Damiac. They call it Asda.

Anyway, you say you want to see TNA grow a fan-base around their own product? They don't! Every week, they comment on WWE (this is an example). They take the WWE rejects and put them in their Main Event, disreguarding the talent that they have built themselves (those wrestlers are usually better anyway).

[Drakon]

Anyway, you say you want to see TNA grow a fan-base around their own product? They don't! Every week, they comment on WWE (this is an example). They take the WWE rejects and put them in their Main Event, disreguarding the talent that they have built themselves (those wrestlers are usually better anyway).


That's why I said I want to see it happen...

TNA has moved more of it's "home-grown" talent to the Main Event scene. James Storm, Kaz, Robert Roode, Samoa Joe, Eric Young. Sure it doesn't seem like a hell lot, but the feuds going on and how they give out the product is what counts, and they are delivering.

There are several "WWE Rejects" that have improved a lot since moving to TNA like Tomko, Matt Morgan and Rellik, and I consider them to be "TNA home grown" too because in TNA they are being given the oportunity to show-case what they can really do, not like inside WWE where only the same people are able to maintain their place in the Main Event. Or it's near impossible to get a worthy push unless you've been in the company for several years.

Aside from that, there are the "WWE rejects" that are more loyal to TNA than they ever were to WWE - Kurt Angle, Team 3D, Rhino, Christian, and that (and the fact that they are not a waste of money) prove that they deserve the time they are given.

In my opinion, the Main Event scene isn't the most important in TNA, yet I prefeer watching it over WWE's since I think it's much more entertaining. I myself prefeer watching the X-Division, Tag Team and Knockouts. But that will most likely change if Samoa Joe wins at LockDown.

I left a lot of points I wanted to mention out 'cuz it's late and my mind is a bit shortened ATM...

[nidge182]

Who was Rellik in the WWE because its doin my nut in trying to figure it out,
I think calling them all WWE rejects is a bit strong a word, I mean Booker T was but Cage was offered a contract "apparantly" and turned it down to join TNA and so was Rhino, i agree that some of the superstars have got better on TNA but i think they are getting to the point where they have too many people who want the title shots, it will get overloaded and no doubt someone will start to sulk and moan soon enough.

[Batista Rules.]

I like this topic, it's cool debating.

There are several "WWE Rejects" that have improved a lot since moving to TNA like Tomko, Matt Morgan and Rellik,

Do you think they would have ever been found if not for the WWE?

Aside from that, there are the "WWE rejects" that are more loyal to TNA than they ever were to WWE - Kurt Angle

You gotta be sh*ttin' me dude, WWE gave Kurt Angle whatever he wanted and more. Championships, major fueds, comedy gimmicks, dominant heel who got everyone off their seats chanting you suck, patriotic face which got everyone up chantin you suck at his opponent. Kurt Angle would never have made it if it weren't for the WWE. In the end, he got too big for his boots and left.

In my opinion, the Main Event scene isn't the most important in TNA, yet I prefeer watching it over WWE's since I think it's much more entertaining. I myself prefeer watching the X-Division, Tag Team and Knockouts. But that will most likely change if Samoa Joe wins at LockDown.

I agree with you on the final comment. But to be honest the Angle/Joe feud really has been bland in my opinion, it's been done too many times before and Joe should have been the Champ long before now.

[Jerichoholic]

Vince wont go that low, he wont acknowledge TNA, he knows WWE is the real deal, and TNA is just a fly.
I have to agree with you.

If Vince shows that hes worried about TNA getting better ratings than WWE, fans well start watching TNA more!

[Drakon]

Rellik started out in WCW as Johnny The Bull. Then on WWE as Johnny Stamboli. About the title scene getting overloaded; I thought that's the main reason for why the wrestlers wrestle, to get to the top and possess the Main Title. I have never heard of any problems inside the TNA lockeroom about people wanting a push or a title reign, aside from Chris Harris, which is why he was fired.


Sure it sometimes seemed like WWE gave Angle everything in a silver platter, but like it was made obvious by him in 2006, he wasn't loyal to WWE. And like it's been made obvious in several shoot interviews and segments, he is very loyal with TNA. And that's the point I was proving.

[nidge182]

I like it most when you have a title scene that contains about 4 wrestlers at one time, and then they put the other top stars in some great feuds that add to the PPVs much like the AJ, Tomko and Cage thing right now and now the Matt Morgan push that is going to happen, i just hope they dont give him the title straight away as i love it when a guy has to work years (not saying morgan hasnt) Morgan is fresh as a wrestler in TNA so stick him in some good feuds first, put him up against Tomko i think that would be a cool rivalry.

[Batista Rules.]

I have to agree with you.

If Vince shows that hes worried about TNA getting better ratings than WWE, fans well start watching TNA more!

What TNA try to do is, they insult and nit-pick at WWE, same old same old, and then they want WWE to respond to them, which will make WWE fans watch TNA for the response (giving TNA bigger ratings), which is what they want, so they can get more people watching their product.

[KL_HellRaiser]

TNA has been able to engage my attention more recently than WWE has been able to in years. There is still so many teething problems with them and I agree with points made on using WWE and the historical sub groups within that company into its shows.
They should believe in what they have got and quiet down on there gigantic rivals. I give them tremendous amount of credit for what they have built which is a entertaining product attempting to deliver some above the average quality shows.

I would also mention that TNA have been able to give a platform for some former WWE stars to grow the obvious one being Christian Cage who I place deservedly as one of the best around.
Yes Kurt became the star under WWE and has them to thank for his prestigious reputation but it was Kurt's choice to leave and if helps grow a company which could eventually challenge WWE to have to pull there finger out and deliver across the board then thats all good.
That said TNA need time to continue to push a franchise that has bags of potential they have come a long way but they have a long way to go and first they have just got to believe in there product and stop throwing out shots to WWE when they can hardly damage them right now.
They have great stars old and new they all just need to be TNA focused....

[nidge182]

Totally agree, even my fiancee is getting into TNA she was jumping up and down when Morgan allied with Cage.
I think that TNA is ahead of ECW and Smackdown at the moment and the next PPV is fantastic all the PPVs in a cage, They are true innovators, six sides of the ring and wacking cages around them great ideas from this company and i cant wait to see what the future has to hold for them.

[Hookz]

Thats why he wont buy TNA lol